Don’t Call Obama a Socialist; He’s a Corporatist
www.RonPaul.com - 04 Lately many have characterized this administration as socialist or having strong socialist leanings. I differ with this characterization. This is not to say Mr. Obama believes in free markets by any means. On the contrary, he has done and said much that demonstrates his fundamental misunderstanding and hostility toward the truly free market. But a closer, honest examination of his policies and actions in office reveals that much like the previous administration he is very much a corporatist. This, in many ways, can be more insidious and worse than being an outright socialist. Socialism is a system where the government directly owns and manages businesses. Corporatism is a system where businesses are nominally in private hands, but are in fact controlled by the government. In a corporatist state, government officials often act in collusion with their favored business interests to design policies that give those interests a monopoly position to the detriment of competitors and consumers. A careful examination of the policies pursued by the Obama administration and his allies in Congress shows that their agenda is corporatist. For example, the healthcare bill that recently passed has not established a Canadian-style government-run single-payer healthcare system. Instead it relies on mandates, forcing every American to purchase private health insurance or pay a fine. It also includes subsidies for low income Americans and government run healthcare ...
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November 23rd, 2010 - 19:06
Republicans worked in the name of Blackwater (group of mercenaries), Halliburton (2nd larger company oil infrastructures in the world, in the past directed by Dick Cheney), and CACI (torture cabinet d' interrogation/) for the manufacture of assent for a war which was largely privatis
November 23rd, 2010 - 19:32
The Opensecretsdotorg politicians> and>? Elections pr? Presidential Barack Obama>> D? Independent thinking? For> the Socialist? Democrats of Am? Rique.DSA is the largest subsidiary am? Rican Socialist International (SI) , the global organization of 140 socialist, social-d? Democrats and Labour. The SI has the distinction of? Be the largest political organization in the world.
November 23rd, 2010 - 19:52
“Civils servant of the government often act as collusion with their commercial interests préférés." Sound as our American of monitoring orwellien-State which was in exponential growth since the 9/11. And they are so secret qu' they cannot share information with l' other! See PBS Frontline " Secret signal Amérique" in January (and lira Washington Post series Secret Signal America on the Web, to see Frontline had with l' origin of l' air this autumn, I l' hope for all the truth n' was not expurgé from there!.
November 23rd, 2010 - 20:25
[Continuation of my last post] I doubt anyone who gets that far in life can really be honest enough or good enough to not be bad. Everyone must realize that people will most likely not be able to change anything. It’s next to impossible. But I do agree with what Ron Paul has to say.
November 23rd, 2010 - 20:32
Socialism isn’t evil, it’s a human idea that was created and is equal to the free market system many countries have. It’s nothing but an idea like MONEY. Except for that, yes, Corporatism is bad. It should be stopped. But for gods sakes, what American president wasn’t? Just get over it, also, let us all remember the South Park episode about voting real quick: you will always have to vote for either a douche, or a turd sandwich in the end. So who gives a shit really?
November 23rd, 2010 - 21:21
N' let us not forget what quelqu' W/some knowledge on the subject already said; " Fascism should rather be called Corporatisme, because it is a fusion of l' State and capacity of the entreprises" – Benito MussoliniRon Paul with the presidency in 2012!
November 23rd, 2010 - 21:25
@videowithmeaning
Early american history is a continual struggle between those who want to limit the Federal state (like Jefferson) and those who want to expands its powers for their own sake (people like Hamilton). Unfortunately eventually the Hamiltonian faction won and gave hos the disasterous monster we have in the US today.
November 23rd, 2010 - 21:44
@videowithmeaning
Socialsm is impossible because it supress people and prevent economic calculus, though destroying the price system. Corporatism requires a central state which can interfer in the economics system on behalf of those who control it. Once such a state exist it becomes a struggles between groups to control it for their own gain, and it grows continually. We havent found a permanent way to prevent this yet. The US constinution is the best so far, and it still failed.
November 23rd, 2010 - 21:49
@ Illyrian, but what emp? Che capitalism become, corporatism? A lot of people talk about her? Is that socialism and communism can not work? Because of the greedy? or not to share goals, etc., but what emp? che become pure capitalism corporatism? Pure capitalism never worked? SOCI no t? like capitalism, they do not want competition. Essentially, the government will? Be tr? S hard not to submit to pressure from the company.
November 23rd, 2010 - 22:06
@ TheFutureLooksGrimmD' after what I remember Marx, Communism is the fine utopian ideal world d' abundance without end where l' State decayed. In addition to the vote in the socialist companies? Seriously? Where? these companies never vote
November 23rd, 2010 - 22:57
@videowithmeaning
Socialism is basically state control of the means of production to achieve some utopian end. This has 2 basic problems. 1) command economy is hoplessly ineffective and 2) what do you do with the people who dont share the utopian goal.
November 23rd, 2010 - 23:20
@videowithmeaning @videowithmeaning Ron Paul spoke out against Bush’s policies, too. The question is “Where were YOU then?”.
November 24th, 2010 - 00:10
@ Unoitaliano No, this is the problem? Me with the fascism of the company.
November 24th, 2010 - 00:35
@videowithmeaning Ron Paul spoke out against Bush’s policies, too. The question is “Where were YOU then?”.
November 24th, 2010 - 00:53
C' is more on marketing of l' interaction of market or more so d' arbitration of the market. C' the majority of people are a shame cannot see beyond fanaticism and of the contradiction which goes hand in hand with the right/left paradigm. Excel post!
November 24th, 2010 - 01:06
The funny thing is Bush was a corportist as well, but where was the hillbillies then? Anyways, isn’t by definition socialism is government by the people FOR the people. Meaning the government does things to help the common citizen NOT the corporations. That’s why socialism isn’t bad by definition.
November 24th, 2010 - 01:28
The problem with capitalism is the following: People who we chose to protect us from the abuses. were and all are bought and paid whores of l' world elite. They n' did not succeed their compatriots and cos women of their period of cupidity.
November 24th, 2010 - 02:12
congress, consotium
November 24th, 2010 - 03:10
@levity76 I agree woith you, I think, I THINK that people doesn’t really know what to do
November 24th, 2010 - 03:50
Like d' practice, j' created an illustrated version of this diffusion RP. You can see it on my chain via the direct link: /Watch? V = ugKtJjMmMDo
November 24th, 2010 - 03:58
@SirPwn4lot So is Senator McCain
November 24th, 2010 - 04:26
You’ve forgotten? that most of? Democrats and r? publicans are the same? that my dr? President Obama. The comment from your son Rand on the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico by British Petrol was wrong because they have so many shortcuts employees? Na? their ignorance? attempting to emp? of the dear? payment. What is your opinion? this and the r? publicans to apologize for BP?
November 24th, 2010 - 04:36
I love Ron Paul but he describes socialism as communism which is incorrect is it not? In socialism the people own the companies and manage it through a voting system. In a communist system, THAT’S when the companies and everything is owned by the government. But I just could never imagine Ron Paul getting that wrong.
November 24th, 2010 - 05:13
Ron Paul n' is not slept, socialism s' does not apply here.
November 24th, 2010 - 05:55
Don’t call Ron Paul a Libertarian; He’s a Neo-Confederate
(Not to be confused with a Neo-Conservative, which he most definitely is not)